Carlos Celdran goes hysterical
UPDATE My apologies to Carlos. I looked at the spams and I found his comments there. I don’t know how they got there. Anyway I clicked approve on all of the ones I found scattered over six pages of spam.
Carlos Celdran, the walking tour guy, went hysterical. He thinks I deleted his comments.
I don’t do censorship, comment moderation, or any of those slimy things.Honestly I don’t know why his brilliant and incisive comment disappeared. It was there when I turned off my laptop last night.
Celdran is welcome to comment anytime. He has no reason to be hysterical.
Now I appreciate, no, I’m flattered that he used his blog to annotate my column, “Limbo”. He says he played mommy to my daughter. And he did it in screaming capitals letters too!
Now I will annotate his annotations.
“It was time to raise the bar higher, or lower if you’re doing limbo.” – Tre Cool
“HIJA. A SIDE HAD TO BE TAKEN. ONE SIDE WAS OBVIOUSLY HIDEOUSLY ABUSED AND TO WAIT LONGER AND NOT HELP A PERSON (THAT YOU KNEW BEFORE THE MASSACRE) WOULD ALSO BE A TERRIBLE SITUATION, DON’T YOU THINK? TIME IS OF THE ELEMENT.”
Yes Carlos and the side to be taken is with the victims not the other warlord’s.
And you don’t throw out one warlord from your party and appoint his enemy as your party provincial chairman, All that politicking gets in the way of attending to getting justice for the victims. A massacre is not a political opportunity, Carlitos.
“BUT HIJA, THE SUSPECTS WERE ARRESTED (PERHAPS THIS CONVERSATION BETWEEN MARTIAL LAW) AND THE OPPOSING CAMP HAD TO BE PROTECTED. MR. TEODORO IS FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUE, HE TRIED TO MEDIATE BETWEEN THE TWO FAMILIES BEFORE THE MASSACRE HAPPENED. HIJA, IT’S NOT AS SIMPLE AS YOU THINK. IT REALLY… REALLY… IS NOT. AND I REALLY DON’T SEE HOW CALLING FOR JUSTICE WOULD BE EFFECTIVE EXCEPT FOR WELL, CALLING FOR JUSTICE. ACTIONS ARE BETTER THAN WORDS NO? LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE.”
But Carlos, Andal Jr. was not arrested he was allowed to surrender voluntarily. Remember he was not even handcuffed?
And Teodore was familiar with the issue and the brewing feud that’s why I am surprised he, as then secretary of defense, did not take measures to prevent the war from happening. How about taking back the weapons and ammo that came from the DND? How about sending more troops to act as buffer? Those he could have done, should have done, since he was familiar with the situation and he had the power to do something, but he didn’t.
Carlos, the situation is only complicated if you make it so. That’s the big picture.
THAT IS CALLED A COLONIC, HIJA. AND IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING WAY BEFORE THE MASSACRE. LOOK AT ALL THE OPPORTUNISTS FROM LAKAS THAT DITCHED KNOWING THAT THEY CAN’T GET THE SAME FAVORS UNDER GIBO AS THEY DID WITH GLORIA.
Sorry I didn’t add “facial” before cleansing. I didn’t mean to confuse the anal fixated.
The opportunists from Lakas ditched because they didn’t want to tie their fate with a loser. It had nothing to do with favors. It had everything to do with flavor, the bad taste in their mouth.
AH. SO GLORIA ALSO MASSACRED 56 PEOPLE? IS THE CRIME DIRECTLY RELATED TO HER NOW, HIJA? TRUE. SHE DID KEEP THEM IN POWER. BUT THEIR CODDLING CAN BE TRACED ALL THE WAY BACK TO CORY, NO? GLORIA WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARTY. GIBO RESPECTS THE INSTITUTION AND PARTY RULES. HE IS STRENGTHENING THE LAKAS PARTY. NOT BLOATING IT, LIKE WELL, A FEW OTHER OPPOSING CAMPS.
The coddling cannot be traced back to Cory. Read the paper of Fr. Mercado on the background of the Ampatuans before you shit out Palace black propaganda.
Carlitos, Gloria didn’t pull the trigger. But the crime is directly related to her. She created, armed, and coddled the Ampatuans, how do you absolve her of any responsibility for their behavior?
More importantly, how is it that well known crooks, warlords, and human rights violators were not expelled from the party? Is he waiting for another ZTE-NBN or another massacre before he takes courageous and decisive action?
GRATITUDE IS A BETTER VALUE IN MY EYES, THAN BEING BALIMBING, HIJA. AND MANY MANY PEOPLE HAVE SERVED WELL UNDER QUESTIONABLE CIRCUMSTANCES. LIKE HOW NINOY’S DAD WAS VICE PRESIDENT UNDER THE JAPANESE. DID YOU KNOW THAT? NOW, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO BLAME ALL THE ABUSES WE EXPERIENCED IN WW2 ON HIM EVEN IF HE DID KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING. WOULD YOU? WOULD YOU?
Carlitos, there is a limit to gratitude in case you didn’t know that yet.
Balimbing is not good. But when one leaves the dark side for the light, that is not balimbing. Well, it is but only if it’s the dark side talking.
Now why would I blame Ninoy’s dad for the atrocities of WWII? In the same way I would not blame Laurel and the entire wartime cabinet and whoever else served in the wartime civil service. Would you? Would you?
WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHAT HIS STATEMENTS ARE ABOUT A SITUATION THAT HE HAS NO RIGHT TO CONTROL? HE IS NO LONGER DND SECRETARY. WHY ARE WORDS ONCE AGAIN MORE IMPORTANT THAN ACTIONS, HIJA?
All we wanted to know was whether he thought martial law was warranted or not. He is a candidate and we have a right to know where he stands on important issues.
Words are more important than actions when words are wise and the actions are stupid, Carlitos.
GIBO.PH. CLICK ON HIS PLAN FOR EACH REGION OF THE PHILIPPINES
Is that his plan as approved by Gloria?
By the way I didn’t see him mention any warlords by name and how he was going to deal with them. Maybe Gloria did not approve that part of his plan.
BUT HIJA THE CHARTER NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. NOT JUST THE PRESIDENTIAL VIS A VIS FEDERAL BUT ALSO IN MANY OF THE OTHER ASPECTS LIKE IT’S ECONOMIC PARTS. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT CORY’S CONSTITUTION IS FLAWED AND SET THE FRAMEWORK FOR WHY WE ARE IN THE MESS WE ARE IN TODAY. AND ONCE GLORIA STEPS DOWN, YOU THINK SHE WILL GET THE NUMBERS IN HER PARTY TO MAKE HER PRIME MINISTER, ESPECIALLY SINCE A LOT OF LAKAS FOLK HAVE GRAVITATED TOWARDS OTHER PARTIES. SHE IS TOXIC EVEN WITHIN HER OWN PARTY. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED GLORIA HAVE NOW FLED TO OTHER PARTIES TOO, WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THEM AND THE PARTY THAT ACCEPTED THEM? HMM? HIJA?
But Carlitos only you, Gloria, Gibo, Carmen Pedrosa, and several million faked signatures in the people’s intitiative say that.
Those who left Gloria couldn’t live with her crap anymore. Those parties that accepted them are doing the right thing, they are accepting converts to their cause.
What does it say when those who left Gloria also left Gibo, Carlitos? Could it be that they saw Gibo as Gloria’s stunt double? Can’t you see that?
UM BAD CROWD?? MORE LIKE WHAT CROWD?? IF YOU WANT SCARY, LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER BLOATED POLITICAL PARTIES OUT THERE, HIJA. RESIGNING ONLY WOULD HAVE CREATED USELESS DRAMA AND NOT HELPED ANY SITUATION. IT’S SAD THAT YOU CAN’T SEE THAT CHANGES CAN HAPPEN FROM WITHIN. WHAT WOULD RESIGNING HAVE DONE? WOULD THAT ONE DRAMATIC MOVE MAKE YOU VOTE FOR HIM? HIJA. LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. IF AN ACTION NEEDS TO BE DONE, IT HAS TO BE MORE THAN SYMBOLIC, HIJA.
Um, of course bad crowd. They are part of the Bonnie and Clyde Arroyo gang aren’t they? What crowd? That crowd!
Resigning is not about useless drama. It is a statement of principle. It says I will have nothing to do with the party of impunity and corruption, it says I’m leaving the Bonnie and Clyde Arroyo gang because I am not like them.
Expelling the Ampatuans and keeping the rest of the gang as members of good standing, that’s useless drama. Or maybe it was useful drama because it fooled some gullible people.
So you believe changes can happen from within the party. Well yes. And it starts with expelling all the undesirables. But like my daughter said, “who will be left if he does that?”
THE ACTION TAKEN AGAINST HER SHOULD BE DONE BY THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM NOT MALACANANG. THE PRESIDENCY SHOULD NEVER BE USED AS A TOOL FOR REVENGE. HIJA, I’D BE MORE AFRAID OF ANY PARTY THAT PROMISES REVENGE OUTSIDE OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM BECAUSE THAT WAY, NOBODY WOULD BE SAFE.
ONCE AGAIN, HIJA. SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE.
Now, now, Carlitos don’t be so pranning. Come to papa. All that statement meant was that Gloria should also be expelled from the party. That’s the big picture.
AND LIMBO STILL HAS A CHANCE. BETTER THAN BEING IN A PARTY THAT LOOKS LIKE IT’S GOING TO HELL, HIJA.
Speaking of Limbo and your brilliant defense of the indefensible, please reread the quotation above. It is an accurate description of your annotation.
Anyway, it’s time for you to go beddy and dream happy dreams about the clone. But take two Ambiens first. So you don’t wake uo screaming!
on December 18th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Dude. You repeated everything you said in the first essay man. You presented nothing new to my argument.
Shet. It’s true. I exerted too much effort on you.
Peace out man.
Merry Christmas.
on December 18th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Dude, my first comment where I talk to Jim Paredes and ask him why he backed out of the interview with me and the others on Media In Focus is still gone. You know that comment, the one where I talk about my preference for a smart leader over a simple but honest one - is nowhere to be found. You deleted my comment. Proof is there.
So please don’t feign innocence about deleting my comments. Uniffors first comment asking about my expectations for a leader is still seems like he talking to a ghost because my comment is gone.
Whatever. I am hysterical. But you dear sir, are a liar.
Conversation over.
on December 18th, 2009 at 8:21 am
If 58 didn’t die, this would be so funny.
on December 18th, 2009 at 8:35 am
You know, Manuel, I think Carlos has a point. My tito is Bong of MB was one of the 57 who died in the massacre. I also have been living in Cotabato for decades. The Ampatuans have been governing Maguindanao way before Gloria and Teodoro assumed their posts. I wish you make an effort to know and understand the Maguindanao and the Ampatuan’s history first before pointing fingers at people. I have. Your sentiments and opinions about Gloria and the others are valid, Manuel. Just as Carlos’ opinions are valid. We do not really have to agree on something. What we want is for people to hear or read what we have to say. Practicing our freedom of speech is good, however, I think it is more healthy if we start moving on and talk about how we can help those who are still alive and are in need of help… those who live near Mt. Mayon. No more nasty talk please. Me and my friends look up to you and Carlos. We don’t want anymore trash talking/messaging. Merry Christmas.
on December 18th, 2009 at 9:01 am
cha-cha,
long time no hear, heard you left gabriela.
nga pala, hindi ako nagpapatawa tungkol sa massacre. galit nga ako na magmula ng nangyari yun puro pr at black prop ang inaatupag ng administrasyon embes na yun dapat gawin
on December 18th, 2009 at 9:03 am
juanita,
fr. mercado and francisco lara are good readings on maguindanao
on December 18th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Move on? That has been GMA’s line since she cheated in the elections. But nga trash talking lang. GMA deserves to be guillotined. The Ampatuans massacred the people including your uncle (my condolences), precisely because Gloria emboldened them to rule with impunity. That the Ampatuans existed before Gloria’s rule is beside the point. They consolidated and expanded power under Gloria. They committed the massacre, using Gloria’s resources, including the police and military. When you say “start moving on and talk about how we can help those who are still alive,” you are committing an injustice to those who were massacred, including your Tito Bong.
on December 18th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Carlos Celdran,
“Dude. You repeated everything you said in the first essay man. You presented nothing new to my argument.”
I had to since you didn’t get it the first time. Maybe I should have printed my annotations in big block letters too?
on December 18th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Carlos Celdran,
I don’t delete comments. I do not feign innocence. Your comments got kicked to spam that’s where I found them. I moved them back to the comments section. They are there now and you can finger fuck yourself while you are reading them over and over again.
on December 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am
After reading this i’ll have to say:
Juanita: you’re very right…we shouldn’t include our political biases esp on sensitive matters like the maguindanao massacre. the amputuans have been there indeed even during Cory’s time so pointing fingers as to who placed them in power will definitely NOT help..
Manuel: you and carlos are supporting great candidates - and i salute both of you for how you stand your own grounds - but i’d have to say his candidate is right with the “positive campaigning” thing. Let’s forget about siraan ng kandidato, that’s old lousy politics. Both your candidates are true gentlemen and not trapos, they don’t deserve any of the negative accusations going around the net. Lastly, Juanita’s right. Just listen to her.
Merry Christmas po.
on December 18th, 2009 at 9:36 am
mike,
Ampatuan Sr was a small time mayor during cory’s time. Read nga Fr Mercado’s article on wrlords so you don’t fall from propaganda.
It is not negative campaigning when one calls attention to facts that may have been missed or deliberately papered over.
Negative campaigning is when one distors or tells outright lies about a candidate. Negative campaigning is blaming cory aquino for something she did not create
on December 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Wow, i used to like Carlos Celdran but he got creamed this time around. He can’t seem to address the issues being raised. Is he supporting Gibo? Oh my…
on December 18th, 2009 at 10:48 am
“”But Carlos, Andal Jr. was not arrested he was allowed to surrender voluntarily. Remember he was not even handcuffed?”"
NOT ONLY THAT! THE PERSON WHO CAME TO PICK HIM UP FROM THE GOVERNMENT SIDE HUGGED HIM!!!
Imagine Rahm Emmanuel (Obama’s chief of staff) hugging Osama bin Laden when they finally catch him. Jesus!!
on December 18th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Juanita should also read the entry on truthaboutnoynoy.com on Warlordism. It’s very enlightening. Easy to understand without skipping the relevant details.
on December 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I have a story of my own to tell. Once there was a man that toured people across old Manila. I admired this man because I thought he was a man on a mission. I thought he was a man of character. I was wrong. What I thought was a decent man had the gall to sully the good name of Cory Aquino–the Philippines’ icon of democracy, by linking this paragon of a woman to the creation of the monster Ampatuan, to further his own advocacies. Such preposterous lies. Or perhaps lack of research? (Fr. Eliseo Mercado, a known peace advocate had already dispelled this malicious twisting of facts when he said that Cory Aquino removed Andal Ampatuan Sr., a Marcos appointee, and replaced him with Datu Bodhi Ampatuan, a non-political member of the Ampatuan clan.)
What he sees in Gibo Teodoro, I cannot fathom. Certainly I understand how some young people are easily bowled over by the presidential manner, the silver tongue, the body language and eye contact etc. But the tour guide… I thought that being a student of history himself, would have more discernment. And this is very recent history too. Not about the Japs or the Americans, but about a Dept. of National Defense chief who was ineffectual during Ondoy and ineffectual in stemming the flow of arms to Maguindanao warlords, making his actions in Maguindanao after the massacre nothing but empty posturing.
The man that I admired hailed the DND chief’s sense of gratitude and his conviction that he must not bite the hand that fed him. Pagtanaw ng utang na loob… certainly a Filipino trait to be cherished, but where does this loyalty to Gloria end? And where does loyalty to the people he promises serve begin?
This man I used to admire has allowed himself to become a megaphone for lies and venom. The man who hails himself as a history guide spins tales and takes a lot of artistic licence on truth. He is at best a very imaginative storyteller. But sadly, nothing more.
on December 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Let’s all agree to disagree.
Gibo supporters won’t agree with Noy’s and vice versa. That’s it.
Ang tanong, with all the delays in the poll machines, may election kaya?
on December 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am
>>Certainly I understand how some young people are easily bowled over by the presidential manner, the silver tongue, the body language and eye contact etc.
You mean like how some young (but mostly old) people are easily bowled over by the “moral vision”, the lineage, the “humility”, and the color yellow?
on December 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Ryan,
moral vision is what the country needs. you oughta be bowled over by that,
on December 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Sir,
We have the same stand on the issue. I don’t know why people like Gibo when he shows more loyalty to GMA than to the Filipino people. When asked what must be done regarding the Mindanao problem (before the Amapatuan massacre), he said he would send more troops. What the heck?!
I hope and pray that people would see the bigger picture. We do not need geniuses right now. We do not need leaders who are not indebted to parties and allies, who spread violence and cheating in their territories. We do not need leaders who make more lies and conspiracies to go unpunished of his/her crimes. We do not need leaders who support or do not show condemnation of the past leader’s wrongs. We need honest leaders who can boost the Filipinos’ morale and belief in democracy. We need people who have the heart.
Honestly, I am not that impressed with Aquino. In fact, I am more impressed with Perlas (who sadly does not have a chance against the other candidates). However, a friend who works for the senate told me that Aquino is not corrupt. I have expectations from a leader, but if asked to choose between the genius or the honest man, I’d choose the honest man all the way.
We don’t need anymore Marcoses and Arroyos. Puhleeeez.
on December 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
@sheryl: Very well said. I totally agree.
on December 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
No. 1: Gibo reportedly prevented Tarlac provincial officials from attending NINOY’s wake in Tarlac cathedral before it was moved to QC?
No.2: As Congressman, Gibo filed to impeach Hilario Davide, Jr. bec of an unfavorable ruling on Danding’s UCPB holdings.
No. 3: As congressman, did Gibo do anything for the welfare of the people? Noy was very diligent in adding transparency provisions in the National Budget. He required DND to make public the bidding for commodity consumables like fuel, etc. Noy co-authored a Reproductive Bill in 2006. He puts his money where his mouth is. Even supports Risa Hontiveros’s latest RH Bill. Villar is not anti-RH Bill. Noy is diplomatic with the Catholic Church yet is unwavering in pushing for RH, while Gibo is confrontational.
No.4: On taking sides, how particularly CONVENIENT. He could have done that waaayyyy before when he became party chief. He spent 4 conferences pacifying the two, but VERY EFFECTIVE, right?
No.5 Gibo claims he cleaned up DND in two years, but why are ammo still in warlords hands? I remember Trillanes, Danny Lim, Querubin had to do drastic things since 3005 after complaints of DND weapons falling into wrong hands killing their fellow soldiers fell into deaf ears. UP TO NOW. Infairness to them, they never hurt anyone, unlike Honasan, whose men shot Noynoy and with a bullet left a bullet inside him. Yet Noy accepted the Reconciliation, shaking hands with Honasan after. Noy was involved in the planning of the retake of Camp Aguinaldo in the bloodiest coup in 1989. Gibo maybe an airforce pilot, but he never took a bullet for the repuublic, so nobody better call Noy ‘bakla.’ And Noy consistently defends Trillanes, Lim and Querubin. (Also, 2006 AFP investigation found no cause to charge Lim and Querubin with Mutiny. But Chief of Staff Esperon insisted.)
No. 6: The latest straight-from- the-horse’ s-mouth quotation is from Gibo: ”
“Told in an open forum that the rise of private armies apparently went
unabated during his tenure as defense chief, Teodoro said: ‘There was no election fever yet (at the time). There was no indication of a
looming problem.’”
Ayayay. Puro dakdak, no wisdom, or COMMON SENSE. He defends it, saying AFP budget constriaints?? At least CAFGUs before were under the command of the AFP before. Even so, CVOs if not placed under national command are a POISON PILL. And nobody seems to be talking about Chavit or the Dys private armies. Budget constraint for AFP, while the list of government scams under PGMA keeps growing and growing. And Ombudsman has no teeth under her.
No. 7: His platform no.1 is still charter change. Pres. Gibo = Prime Minister GMA.
No.8: Who cares about balimbings? As long as they’re not thieves. Loyal thieves of Lakas are still thieves. But can you call Sonny Belmonte, Ate V or Ralph Recto a thief? And why are Ramon Magsaysay Awardees Jesse Robredo and Grace Padaca supporting Noy? Escudero even backed out with one of the major reasons that “Noynoy is a decent guy.” The only fault is he inherited 4% of Hacienda Luisita and says he will divest (like his mom did before becoming President.)
I’m still studying Dick Gordon’s qualifications/accomplishments, but suffice to say I find Gibo all talk and paper but no substance. All developers know Villar is head of a landgrab syndicate.
And don’t tell us, PGMA and Lakas are good, bec they doubled our national debt to achieve progress, while robbing us senseless.
on December 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
@Ryan: Not bowled over… the people you describe are those that want genuine change… not more of the same.
on December 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
It’s all in the semantics, my friends. When someone defects to the other side, you call him a ‘traitor’. When someone leaves his camp and joins your side, you call him a ‘convert’. The same goes with ‘those get bowled over’ and ‘those who want “genuine change”‘.
We’re all manipulating the language to make ourselves feel that we’re doing the right thing. To avoid the guilt of having made a stupid decision in retrospect.
And no, I support neither Gibô or Noynoy. Just your friendly neighborhood grammer-nazi.
on January 2nd, 2010 at 4:41 am
Manuel, but who on earth is Carlos Celdran?
Happy New Year!
on January 3rd, 2010 at 3:11 pm
AdB,
He’s a gay mestizo tourist guide who took great offense at my article. He is your typical Gloria supporter who sees in Gibo someone who will validate his wrong headed support for Gloria.
on January 3rd, 2010 at 3:19 pm
It’s Gibo not Gibo,
You are right about traitors and converts. But it’s not mere language manipulatioin. It’s not mere semantics. Those who use those words mean it. They are not being cynical as you presume, They speak from their point of view so their perceptions are different. Reminds me of the old “A terrorist for you is a freedom fighter for others.”